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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.hddkillers.com/2006/01/views-on-life/comment-page-1#comment-807</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, I try.</description>
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		<title>By: dresdendolls2</title>
		<link>http://www.hddkillers.com/2006/01/views-on-life/comment-page-1#comment-801</link>
		<dc:creator>dresdendolls2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 03:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>loved your post.  same sorta stuff i believe, but you put it much more eloquently than i ever would have been able to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>loved your post.  same sorta stuff i believe, but you put it much more eloquently than i ever would have been able to.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Rogers</title>
		<link>http://www.hddkillers.com/2006/01/views-on-life/comment-page-1#comment-237</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think chaos theory exactly means self-fulfillment, Rizz. I disagree with you.</description>
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		<title>By: rhsunderground</title>
		<link>http://www.hddkillers.com/2006/01/views-on-life/comment-page-1#comment-233</link>
		<dc:creator>rhsunderground</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 02:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key element to my stand on this topic is the fact that we are not celestial beings looking in on the great helium bottle that is Earth of today. We are the atoms floating around, and unlike most atomic particles that I know, humans have emotion, and thus we are affected by death. The affect differs by the both the person that died and the person that survived. In the universal scheme of things, Einstein may have been just another human pest, but perhaps his efforts will lead to humans being known in the universe. That means that he mattered. And as the chaos theory is welcome to point out, everyone that ever met or affected in some way Einstein or his ancestors and the people that affected those people and so on and so forth thus becomes indefinitely important to Einstein, so they all matter as well. By the chaos theory&#039;s teachings, we all matter to everyone on the planet, because somehow someone I know knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who slept with someone who knows someone that knows the president of Russia, and through that relation chain I have affected his life, because if somehow that chain was broken, then perhaps he never becomes president and some other dick does and decides to nuke the hell out of the USA. That would affect everyone that isn&#039;t a cockroach (Keith Richards excluded). What it all boils down to is that everything affects everything else.

As for the job issue: if you get stuck in a shitty job that you don&#039;t like then change jobs. I&#039;m not sure of the current employment situation in Manchester, but I know that there are tons of jobs available here. Or maybe you could take what you do like and turn it into a job. What I&#039;m trying to say is that the only thing keeping someone in a job they hate is him/herself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key element to my stand on this topic is the fact that we are not celestial beings looking in on the great helium bottle that is Earth of today. We are the atoms floating around, and unlike most atomic particles that I know, humans have emotion, and thus we are affected by death. The affect differs by the both the person that died and the person that survived. In the universal scheme of things, Einstein may have been just another human pest, but perhaps his efforts will lead to humans being known in the universe. That means that he mattered. And as the chaos theory is welcome to point out, everyone that ever met or affected in some way Einstein or his ancestors and the people that affected those people and so on and so forth thus becomes indefinitely important to Einstein, so they all matter as well. By the chaos theory&#8217;s teachings, we all matter to everyone on the planet, because somehow someone I know knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who slept with someone who knows someone that knows the president of Russia, and through that relation chain I have affected his life, because if somehow that chain was broken, then perhaps he never becomes president and some other dick does and decides to nuke the hell out of the USA. That would affect everyone that isn&#8217;t a cockroach (Keith Richards excluded). What it all boils down to is that everything affects everything else.</p>
<p>As for the job issue: if you get stuck in a shitty job that you don&#8217;t like then change jobs. I&#8217;m not sure of the current employment situation in Manchester, but I know that there are tons of jobs available here. Or maybe you could take what you do like and turn it into a job. What I&#8217;m trying to say is that the only thing keeping someone in a job they hate is him/herself.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Rogers</title>
		<link>http://www.hddkillers.com/2006/01/views-on-life/comment-page-1#comment-232</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angst much? This is a topic that bugs me constantly. Yes, we&#039;re rather worthless, nothing I do matters. But that&#039;s all I have, and frankly, I have nothing better to do, and I&#039;m scared shitless that my logical mind is wrong, and that maybe there is a god, and I&#039;m fucking myself But if youover every day. So, I choose to force myself to ignore all that, and do what I enjoy. Usually this is writing in a journal or whatever--stuff somewhat like this, but more rambling and incoherent--reading, drawing, trying to make things make sense to myself. 

If I die, I can&#039;t do that. I hope to affect people. My goal in life is that somewhat I&#039;ve never personally met will be affected by my death. Because, right now, no matter what I do, it won&#039;t matter. I have nothing else to do, and since I believe I have the ability to achieve my own goal, I have to figure out how to do it without compromising myself. It&#039;s useless, but it&#039;s meaningful to me, and hopefully, eventually, to others.

For all logical reasons, though, I agree with you. Sort of. However, if you commit suicide because it&#039;s less bothersome than enduring existence, I&#039;ll find a way to reanimate you and force you to scrub elderly people. THOROUGHLY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angst much? This is a topic that bugs me constantly. Yes, we&#8217;re rather worthless, nothing I do matters. But that&#8217;s all I have, and frankly, I have nothing better to do, and I&#8217;m scared shitless that my logical mind is wrong, and that maybe there is a god, and I&#8217;m fucking myself But if youover every day. So, I choose to force myself to ignore all that, and do what I enjoy. Usually this is writing in a journal or whatever&#8211;stuff somewhat like this, but more rambling and incoherent&#8211;reading, drawing, trying to make things make sense to myself. </p>
<p>If I die, I can&#8217;t do that. I hope to affect people. My goal in life is that somewhat I&#8217;ve never personally met will be affected by my death. Because, right now, no matter what I do, it won&#8217;t matter. I have nothing else to do, and since I believe I have the ability to achieve my own goal, I have to figure out how to do it without compromising myself. It&#8217;s useless, but it&#8217;s meaningful to me, and hopefully, eventually, to others.</p>
<p>For all logical reasons, though, I agree with you. Sort of. However, if you commit suicide because it&#8217;s less bothersome than enduring existence, I&#8217;ll find a way to reanimate you and force you to scrub elderly people. THOROUGHLY.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.hddkillers.com/2006/01/views-on-life/comment-page-1#comment-228</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, there&#039;s another one like that, goes something like, &quot;Dogs have four legs, cats have four legs, therefore my cat is a dog.&quot;

But that&#039;s not what I was saying. I&#039;ll try and make myself a bit clearer. Imagine a sealed container, filled with some gas, helium for simplicity. The individual helium atoms represent people and the container represents the world. As the atoms fly around they occasionally come into contect with other atoms and interact with one another, these interactions represent the interactions with people you have throughout your life.

Now if one atom is removed from the container, the internal pressure would decrease by a tiny fraction and overall, the internal situation would hardly change at all, it would be an almost immeasurable difference. In fact, thousands upon thousands of atoms could be removed with barely even the slightest change.

However, from the outside of the container, it would appear as if there is no change, even if all the atoms were removed, what&#039;s left is still a container. The situation inside the container would have changed drastically, it would be a vacuum, but from the outside there is no visible difference. Therefore, no matter what happens inside, from the outside it&#039;s still the same, and nothing that happens inside matters.

But, you&#039;re saying that worth is calculated something like, worth = people that would miss you if you died * the amount that they miss you.

(Or more accurately, worth = &#931;&lt;sub&gt;1&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;n&lt;/sup&gt; ( person&lt;sub&gt;n&lt;/sub&gt; * grief&lt;sub&gt;n&lt;/sub&gt; ) )

Fair enough, I don&#039;t see any flaw with working it out that way, but the only time all of that raw emotion is displayed is after you&#039;re dead, and by that time you&#039;re not around to see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, there&#8217;s another one like that, goes something like, &#8220;Dogs have four legs, cats have four legs, therefore my cat is a dog.&#8221;</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not what I was saying. I&#8217;ll try and make myself a bit clearer. Imagine a sealed container, filled with some gas, helium for simplicity. The individual helium atoms represent people and the container represents the world. As the atoms fly around they occasionally come into contect with other atoms and interact with one another, these interactions represent the interactions with people you have throughout your life.</p>
<p>Now if one atom is removed from the container, the internal pressure would decrease by a tiny fraction and overall, the internal situation would hardly change at all, it would be an almost immeasurable difference. In fact, thousands upon thousands of atoms could be removed with barely even the slightest change.</p>
<p>However, from the outside of the container, it would appear as if there is no change, even if all the atoms were removed, what&#8217;s left is still a container. The situation inside the container would have changed drastically, it would be a vacuum, but from the outside there is no visible difference. Therefore, no matter what happens inside, from the outside it&#8217;s still the same, and nothing that happens inside matters.</p>
<p>But, you&#8217;re saying that worth is calculated something like, worth = people that would miss you if you died * the amount that they miss you.</p>
<p>(Or more accurately, worth = &Sigma;<sub>1</sub><sup>n</sup> ( person<sub>n</sub> * grief<sub>n</sub> ) )</p>
<p>Fair enough, I don&#8217;t see any flaw with working it out that way, but the only time all of that raw emotion is displayed is after you&#8217;re dead, and by that time you&#8217;re not around to see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal V.</title>
		<link>http://www.hddkillers.com/2006/01/views-on-life/comment-page-1#comment-227</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 03:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;So having covered the point that the entire human race collectively has a net worth of zero, what about individual people? Well, if the sum of all the parts is zero then all of the individual parts must also be worth nothing.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This reminds me of a quote, supposedly by Woody Allen:

&lt;em&gt;Socrates was mortal. All people are mortal. Therefore, all people are Socrates.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>So having covered the point that the entire human race collectively has a net worth of zero, what about individual people? Well, if the sum of all the parts is zero then all of the individual parts must also be worth nothing.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>This reminds me of a quote, supposedly by Woody Allen:</p>
<p><em>Socrates was mortal. All people are mortal. Therefore, all people are Socrates.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Neal V.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 02:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if you chose not to believe in an afterlife, your life, right now, is what you should live for. I am unsure of an afterlife, but that has only pushed me more to enjoy the right here and now.  Yes, biologically we are what we are because our species proved to be especially apt at reproducing and surviving long enough to reproduce.  But regardless of how we got here, we are here and since we have the ability to enjoy, I entend to do as much of that as I can.

I disagree on your point on the worth of people.  Because worth is very much subjective.  You know the old adage &quot;one man&#039;s garbage is another man&#039;s treasure&quot;. It very much holds true.  The sum accomplishments and failures are very, very much important to humans, but I don&#039;t suppose it affects the sun much at all. However, as a musician, Les Paul&#039;s life and accomplishments (the production of electric guitars) made a big impact on me and every rock musician&#039;s life.  So while your life might not affect the existance of life on a planet in a separate galaxy, it could have a very large impact on humans (and other life) living today or those that will. So you are worthless to who exactly? Because the lives of those you affect don&#039;t view you as worthless, value is in the eye of the beholder, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if you chose not to believe in an afterlife, your life, right now, is what you should live for. I am unsure of an afterlife, but that has only pushed me more to enjoy the right here and now.  Yes, biologically we are what we are because our species proved to be especially apt at reproducing and surviving long enough to reproduce.  But regardless of how we got here, we are here and since we have the ability to enjoy, I entend to do as much of that as I can.</p>
<p>I disagree on your point on the worth of people.  Because worth is very much subjective.  You know the old adage &#8220;one man&#8217;s garbage is another man&#8217;s treasure&#8221;. It very much holds true.  The sum accomplishments and failures are very, very much important to humans, but I don&#8217;t suppose it affects the sun much at all. However, as a musician, Les Paul&#8217;s life and accomplishments (the production of electric guitars) made a big impact on me and every rock musician&#8217;s life.  So while your life might not affect the existance of life on a planet in a separate galaxy, it could have a very large impact on humans (and other life) living today or those that will. So you are worthless to who exactly? Because the lives of those you affect don&#8217;t view you as worthless, value is in the eye of the beholder, really.</p>
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